[Localization] localization question about numbers

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[Localization] localization question about numbers

Postby Kent Loobey » Tue Jan 08, 2008 1:31 pm

I am developing an activity for pre-literate number acquisition. I have
several questions.

1. Do you use a number system other than base 10 (0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) in
your locality?

2. Do your numbers have attributes like gender or type or use?

3. Are your numbers displayed in Aribic (0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) or are they
displayed in your local language?

4. Is there anything else about numbers in your area that I need to know?

Thank you very much for considering my questions. I hope, with your help, to
make an activity that is easily localized to your area.

Kent
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[Localization] localization question about numbers

Postby Khaled Hosny » Tue Jan 08, 2008 2:59 pm

On Tue, Jan 08, 2008 at 09:30:59AM -0800, Kent Loobey wrote:
I am developing an activity for pre-literate number acquisition. I have
several questions.

1. Do you use a number system other than base 10 (0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) in
your locality?

2. Do your numbers have attributes like gender or type or use?
In Arabic, gender of numbers depends on its measured, in somewhat
complicated rules.


3. Are your numbers displayed in Aribic (0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) or are they
displayed in your local language?

North African Arabic countries (except Egypt and Libya) use Latin (AKA Arabic)
digits, while the rest of Arabic world uses Arabic (AKA Hindi) digits.

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[Localization] localization question about numbers

Postby Sayamindu Dasgupta » Tue Jan 08, 2008 3:05 pm

Hi Kent,

On Jan 8, 2008 11:00 PM, Kent Loobey <kent@uoregon.edu> wrote:
I am developing an activity for pre-literate number acquisition. I have
several questions.


3. Are your numbers displayed in Aribic (0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) or are they
displayed in your local language?



In India, the Indic scripts have their own numeral forms. For example,
for Bengali, we have
১,২,৩,৪,৫,৬,৭,৮,৯
However, nowadays most kids (and adults as well) cannot count in their
languages and sometimes fail to recognise these forms as well.
Thanks,
Sayamindu

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[Localization] localization question about numbers

Postby Yuan Chao » Tue Jan 08, 2008 7:17 pm

On Jan 9, 2008 1:30 AM, Kent Loobey <kent@uoregon.edu> wrote:

1. Do you use a number system other than base 10 (0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) in
your locality?
The Arabic numbers are widely adopted in Chinese world. Of course, we
have traditional Chinese numerals that are mostly used in official
documents. Similar cases for most CJKV world.

You may also refer to the wikipedia page: (need proper fonts)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_numerals
The first big table should be enough for you if you are interested.

2. Do your numbers have attributes like gender or type or use?
(see above)

3. Are your numbers displayed in Aribic (0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) or are they
displayed in your local language?
We have half-width (ASCII) and full-width displayed numbers. The
former one is mostly used so there should be of no problem. (Chinese
characters are used to be twice wide as monospace Latin. So for some
cases, double width numbers/alphabets may be used.)

One thing you may need to know that we use 10^4 as a "set" while
western worlds use 10^3. But I guess you don't need to consider here.

Thank you very much for considering my questions. I hope, with your help, to
make an activity that is easily localized to your area.
Also thank you for the efforts.


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[Localization] localization question about numbers

Postby Yuan Chao » Mon Jan 14, 2008 12:26 am

On Jan 9, 2008 8:15 AM, Kent Loobey <kent@uoregon.edu> wrote:

I want to ask more about 10^4 vs 10^3 but I will wait until after I have
studied the link you gave me.
In "English", there are names: hundred (H) for 10^2, thousand (K) for
10^3, and then million (M) for 10^6, billion (G) for 10^9... and so on
for every 10^3.
In Chinese, the names are: $B==(B (shi) for 10^1, $BI4(B (bai) for 10^2, $B@i(B
(qian) for 10^3, $Bh_(B (wan) for 10^4, $B2/(B (yi) for 10^8, $BC{(B (zhao) for
10^12... for every 10^4.
(you need proper fonts with Chinese characters here.)
http://zh.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?tit ... iant=zh-tw


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[Localization] localization question about numbers

Postby Edward Cherlin » Mon Jan 14, 2008 1:47 am

On Jan 8, 2008 9:30 AM, Kent Loobey <kent@uoregon.edu> wrote:
I am developing an activity for pre-literate number acquisition. I have
several questions.

Your questions and many more are answered quite extensively in the
Unicode Common Locale Data Repository (CLDR). http://unicode.org/cldr/

1. Do you use a number system other than base 10 (0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) in
your locality?

Extremely rare. Mayan used base 20, and Babylonian base 60. There is
at least one culture that uses base 8. Geeks use hex. ^_^ Really old
geeks use octal.

2. Do your numbers have attributes like gender or type or use?

Gender in most languages. I don't know that you mean by type or use

3. Are your numbers displayed in Aribic (0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) or are they
displayed in your local language?

That's Westernized Hindu-Arabic numerals, or local. You can find all
of the alternative number characters in the Unicode Standard,
including Arabic, Indic, Chinese, Tibetan, and others.

4. Is there anything else about numbers in your area that I need to know?

Yes, it's quite complicated. The CLDR documentation explains about
alternative decimal marks (3,14159), thousands separators (1.000.000)
and other groupings (e.g. 1,00,000 = 1 lakh in India), and gives some
guidance about which countries and languages use which. There is Free
Software for a dialog box that allows users to set all of the
parameters to their liking.

Thank you very much for considering my questions. I hope, with your help, to
make an activity that is easily localized to your area.

Little do you know how little you know of the little you do know.
(Goon Show, 1950s, by Spike Milligan)

Kent
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